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作成者:

nori [ 2010/11/17 23:43 ]

記事の件名:

backgame

コード:

XGID=-baaBbCCB-B-aB---bacb----A:0:0:1:43:0:0:0:7:10
ポジション ID: sGsQMDWYuxkDQA
マッチ ID: cInxAAAAAAAA

X:nori   O:BackGameBill
Score is X:0 O:0 7 pt(s) match.
Pipcount  X: 134  O: 197 X-O: 0-0/7
Cube  : 1
X to play 43

XG曰く。

コード:

    1. XG Roller+  Bar/21 6/3*                  eq:+0.720
      Player  : 61.72% (G:28.51% B:3.20%)
      Opponent: 38.28% (G:6.56% B:0.30%)

    2. XG Roller+  Bar/18*                      eq:+0.603 (-0.117)
      Player  : 57.42% (G:30.76% B:3.89%)
      Opponent: 42.58% (G:5.95% B:0.29%)

    3. 4 ply       Bar/22 7/3*                  eq:+0.597 (-0.123)
      Player  : 59.78% (G:27.18% B:2.94%)
      Opponent: 40.22% (G:7.35% B:0.27%)

    4. 3 ply       Bar/22 6/2*                  eq:+0.452 (-0.268)
      Player  : 56.87% (G:26.18% B:2.68%)
      Opponent: 43.13% (G:8.11% B:0.40%)

    5. 2 ply       Bar/21 13/10                 eq:+0.452 (-0.268)
      Player  : 58.45% (G:25.11% B:2.43%)
      Opponent: 41.55% (G:7.66% B:0.28%)


eXtreme Gammon Version: 1.21, MET: Rockwell-Kazaross

gnubg曰く：

コード:

    1. キューブフル 2-ply   bar/18*                      Eq.:  +0.960
       0.650 0.374 0.038 - 0.350 0.045 0.001
        2-ply キューブフル prune [world class]
    2. キューブフル 2-ply   bar/21 6/3*                  Eq.:  +0.873 ( -0.087)
       0.648 0.317 0.031 - 0.352 0.066 0.002
        2-ply キューブフル prune [world class]

いまからロールアウトするけどね。

作成者:

nori [ 2010/11/17 23:54 ]

記事の件名:

Re: backgame

コード:

XGID=-baaBbCCB-B-aB---bacb----A:0:0:1:43:0:0:0:7:10

X:nori   O:BackGameBill
Score is X:0 O:0 7 pt(s) match.
 +24-23-22-21-20-19------18-17-16-15-14-13-+
 |             O  O |   | O  O           X |
 |             O  O |   |    O           X |
 |                O |   |                  |
 |                  |   |                  |
 |                  | X |                  |
 |                  |BAR|                  |
 |                  |   |                  |
 |                  |   |                  |
 |                X |   | X                |
 | O        X  O  X |   | X  X     X       |
 | O  O  O  X  O  X |   | X  X     X     O |
 +-1--2--3--4--5--6-------7--8--9-10-11-12-+
Pipcount  X: 134  O: 197 X-O: 0-0/7
Cube  : 1
X to play 43

    1. Rolloutｹ    Bar/21 6/3*                  eq:+0.686
      Player  : 61.28% (G:30.32% B:3.27%)
      Opponent: 38.72% (G:7.29% B:0.36%)
      Confidence: &plusmn; 0.080 (+0.606<E<+0.766)
      Duration: 5 minutes 05 seconds

    2. Rolloutｹ    Bar/18*                      eq:+0.499 (-0.187)
      Player  : 55.35% (G:30.41% B:3.98%)
      Opponent: 44.65% (G:6.33% B:0.57%)
      Confidence: &plusmn; 0.073 (+0.426<E<+0.572)
      Duration: 4 minutes 52 seconds

    3. 4 ply       Bar/22 7/3*                  eq:+0.597 (-0.089)
      Player  : 59.78% (G:27.18% B:2.94%)
      Opponent: 40.22% (G:7.35% B:0.27%)

    4. 3 ply       Bar/22 6/2*                  eq:+0.452 (-0.234)
      Player  : 56.87% (G:26.18% B:2.68%)
      Opponent: 43.13% (G:8.11% B:0.40%)

    5. 2 ply       Bar/21 13/10                 eq:+0.452 (-0.234)
      Player  : 58.45% (G:25.11% B:2.43%)
      Opponent: 41.55% (G:7.66% B:0.28%)


ｹ 330 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
  Moves and cube decisions: 3 ply


eXtreme Gammon Version: 1.21, MET: Rockwell-Kazaross

作成者:

nori [ 2010/11/17 23:54 ]

記事の件名:

Re: backgame

コード:

    1. ロールアウト   bar/21 6/3*                  Eq.:  +0.643
       0.616 0.292 0.028 - 0.384 0.070 0.005 CL  +0.489 CF  +0.643
      [0.003 0.003 0.002 - 0.003 0.002 0.001 CL   0.009 CF   0.025]
        Full cubeful rollout with var.redn.
        1282 games, Mersenne Twister dice gen. with seed 902316737 and quasi-random dice
        Play: 0-ply キューブフル prune [expert]
        キューブ: 0-ply キューブフル prune [expert]
    2. ロールアウト   bar/18*                      Eq.:  +0.536 ( -0.106)
       0.563 0.322 0.041 - 0.437 0.067 0.006 CL  +0.429 CF  +0.536
      [0.004 0.004 0.002 - 0.004 0.002 0.002 CL   0.011 CF   0.028]
        Full cubeful rollout with var.redn.
        1296 games, Mersenne Twister dice gen. with seed 902316737 and quasi-random dice
        Play: 0-ply キューブフル prune [expert]
        キューブ: 0-ply キューブフル prune [expert]

作成者:	望月　正行 [ 2010/11/18 11:35 ]
記事の件名:	Re: backgame
6/3か7/3かのチョイスで、bar/18は僕には意味が分からない。タイミングを与えている上に相手がアンカーをとる可能性を増やし、7pまたは6pの駒を使う可能性を放棄してます。また、ロールアウトするまでもなくGnuのバックゲームはほとんど間違っています。昔も書いたけど、私のグランマに正解手を聞いているのと変わらないとおもう。グランマっておばあちゃんね。

作成者:	nori [ 2010/11/18 12:48 ]
記事の件名:	Re: backgame
timingはそうですね。pipみないでプレーしてました。他人のエラーは常に意味不明です、はい。 barを作られるのが嫌だったので打ちましたが、timingの改善は大きすぎますね。 gnubgはいかなる状況でもダメなのね・・・gnubg teamにはがんばってもらいたいものだが。

作成者:	望月　正行 [ 2010/11/18 13:01 ]
記事の件名:	Re: backgame
もちろん合っている時もあるだろうけど、偶然正解しているような気がする。

作成者:	望月　正行 [ 2010/11/18 13:03 ]
記事の件名:	Re: backgame
barを作られたとしても、それでこちらが非常に困る展開は少ないと思う。飛び出す時間が十分ある。

作成者:	nori [ 2010/11/18 22:02 ]
記事の件名:	Re: backgame
時間もそうだけど、タイミング無かったらプライムはそのうち蒸発（ｗ）してなくなる。

作成者:

nori [ 2010/11/19 14:39 ]

記事の件名:

Re: backgame

Reference 1

コード:

XGID=-baaBbCCB-B-cB---bac-----A:0:0:1:43:0:0:0:7:10
ポジション ID: 4BocMDWYuxkDQA
マッチ ID: cInxAAAAAAAA

X:Player 1   O:Player 2
Score is X:0 O:0 7 pt(s) match.
Pipcount  X: 134  O: 213 X-O: 0-0/7
Cube  : 1
X to play 43

    1. XG Roller+  Bar/22 7/3*                  eq:+0.663
      Player  : 58.66% (G:31.53% B:4.04%)
      Opponent: 41.34% (G:5.74% B:0.23%)

    2. XG Roller+  Bar/21 6/3*                  eq:+0.656 (-0.008)
      Player  : 58.54% (G:31.30% B:4.02%)
      Opponent: 41.46% (G:5.83% B:0.23%)

    3. 3 ply       Bar/22 6/2*                  eq:+0.437 (-0.227)
      Player  : 54.47% (G:29.41% B:3.58%)
      Opponent: 45.53% (G:7.18% B:0.31%)

    4. 3 ply       Bar/22 10/6                  eq:+0.425 (-0.238)
      Player  : 54.53% (G:29.31% B:3.15%)
      Opponent: 45.47% (G:7.08% B:0.32%)

    5. 3 ply       Bar/21 13/10                 eq:+0.424 (-0.239)
      Player  : 54.78% (G:28.11% B:2.93%)
      Opponent: 45.22% (G:6.68% B:0.29%)


eXtreme Gammon Version: 1.21, MET: Rockwell-Kazaross

Reference 2

コード:

XGID=--aaBbCCB-B-cB---bacb----A:0:0:1:43:0:0:0:7:10
ポジション ID: sGtwwBSYuxkDQA
マッチ ID: cInxAAAAAAAA

X:Player 1   O:Player 2
Score is X:0 O:0 7 pt(s) match.
Pipcount  X: 134  O: 175 X-O: 0-0/7
Cube  : 1
X to play 43

    1. 3 ply       Bar/18*                      eq:+0.572
      Player  : 61.25% (G:22.73% B:1.00%)
      Opponent: 38.75% (G:6.46% B:0.21%)

    2. 2 ply       Bar/21 6/3*                  eq:+0.331 (-0.241)
      Player  : 57.37% (G:18.40% B:0.75%)
      Opponent: 42.63% (G:10.17% B:0.34%)

    3. 2 ply       Bar/21 7/4                   eq:+0.317 (-0.255)
      Player  : 56.88% (G:18.38% B:0.74%)
      Opponent: 43.12% (G:9.45% B:0.29%)

    4. 2 ply       Bar/22 7/3*                  eq:+0.306 (-0.266)
      Player  : 56.78% (G:17.52% B:0.69%)
      Opponent: 43.22% (G:10.03% B:0.36%)

    5. 2 ply       Bar/22 6/2*                  eq:+0.276 (-0.296)
      Player  : 56.46% (G:17.11% B:0.57%)
      Opponent: 43.54% (G:10.56% B:0.35%)


eXtreme Gammon Version: 1.21, MET: Rockwell-Kazaross

Reference 3

コード:

XGID=--baBbCCB-B-bB---bacb----A:0:0:1:43:0:0:0:7:10
ポジション ID: sGswYBqYuxkDQA
マッチ ID: cInxAAAAAAAA

X:Player 1   O:Player 2
Score is X:0 O:0 7 pt(s) match.
Pipcount  X: 134  O: 185 X-O: 0-0/7
Cube  : 1
X to play 43

    1. XG Roller+  Bar/18*                      eq:+0.444
      Player  : 57.08% (G:24.55% B:1.64%)
      Opponent: 42.92% (G:7.11% B:0.28%)

    2. XG Roller+  Bar/21 6/3*                  eq:+0.427 (-0.017)
      Player  : 58.23% (G:21.59% B:1.40%)
      Opponent: 41.77% (G:8.68% B:0.36%)

    3. XG Roller+  Bar/22 7/3*                  eq:+0.413 (-0.031)
      Player  : 58.08% (G:21.40% B:1.31%)
      Opponent: 41.92% (G:8.90% B:0.35%)

    4. 3 ply       Bar/21 7/4                   eq:+0.338 (-0.105)
      Player  : 56.02% (G:21.26% B:1.27%)
      Opponent: 43.98% (G:8.63% B:0.31%)

    5. 3 ply       Bar/21 13/10                 eq:+0.314 (-0.129)
      Player  : 55.97% (G:19.64% B:1.09%)
      Opponent: 44.03% (G:8.90% B:0.30%)


eXtreme Gammon Version: 1.21, MET: Rockwell-Kazaross

Reference 4

コード:

XGID=-aaaBbCCB-B-bB---bacb----A:0:0:1:43:0:0:0:7:10
Position ID: sGswYCqYuxkDQA
Match ID: cInxAAAAAAAA

X:Player 1   O:Player 2
Score is X:0 O:0 7 pt(s) match.
Pipcount  X: 134  O: 186 X-O: 0-0/7
Cube  : 1
X to play 43

    1. 3 ply       Bar/18*                      eq:+0.552
      Player  : 58.61% (G:27.48% B:1.90%)
      Opponent: 41.39% (G:6.75% B:0.27%)

    2. 3 ply       Bar/21 6/3*                  eq:+0.476 (-0.076)
      Player  : 58.83% (G:23.56% B:1.40%)
      Opponent: 41.17% (G:8.67% B:0.32%)

    3. 3 ply       Bar/21 7/4                   eq:+0.444 (-0.108)
      Player  : 58.29% (G:23.08% B:1.22%)
      Opponent: 41.71% (G:8.37% B:0.28%)

    4. 3 ply       Bar/22 7/3*                  eq:+0.436 (-0.116)
      Player  : 58.06% (G:23.53% B:1.38%)
      Opponent: 41.94% (G:9.04% B:0.34%)

    5. 3 ply       Bar/22 6/2*                  eq:+0.375 (-0.177)
      Player  : 56.64% (G:22.72% B:1.30%)
      Opponent: 43.36% (G:9.54% B:0.36%)


eXtreme Gammon Version: 1.21, MET: Rockwell-Kazaross

P.S. こういうグランマでも？http://www.mymodernmet.com/profiles/blo ... therapy-18

作成者:

nori [ 2010/11/19 14:45 ]

記事の件名:

Re: backgame

Reference 5.

コード:

XGID=--abBbCCB-B-dB---bac-----A:0:0:1:34:0:0:0:7:10
Position ID: 4Bo8YBaYuxkDQA
Match ID: cInxAAAAAAAA

X:Player 1   O:Player 2
Score is X:0 O:0 7 pt(s) match.
Pipcount  X: 134  O: 200 X-O: 0-0/7
Cube  : 1
X to play 34

    1. XG Roller+  Bar/21 7/4                   eq:+0.431
      Player  : 56.73% (G:25.41% B:1.29%)
      Opponent: 43.27% (G:7.52% B:0.29%)

    2. XG Roller+  Bar/21 13/10                 eq:+0.408 (-0.023)
      Player  : 56.59% (G:23.63% B:1.22%)
      Opponent: 43.41% (G:7.54% B:0.29%)

    3. XG Roller+  Bar/21 10/7                  eq:+0.403 (-0.028)
      Player  : 55.90% (G:25.85% B:1.32%)
      Opponent: 44.10% (G:7.78% B:0.29%)

    4. XG Roller+  Bar/22 10/6                  eq:+0.393 (-0.038)
      Player  : 55.66% (G:25.75% B:1.22%)
      Opponent: 44.34% (G:7.78% B:0.30%)

    5. 3 ply       Bar/22 6/2*                  eq:+0.336 (-0.095)
      Player  : 54.66% (G:24.24% B:1.34%)
      Opponent: 45.34% (G:8.14% B:0.33%)


eXtreme Gammon Version: 1.21, MET: Rockwell-Kazaross

Reference 6.

コード:

XGID=-a-bBbCCB-B-bBb--bac-----A:0:0:1:34:0:0:0:7:10
Position ID: 4BozYBaYuxkDQA
Match ID: cInxAAAAAAAA

X:Player 1   O:Player 2
Score is X:0 O:0 7 pt(s) match.
Pipcount  X: 134  O: 197 X-O: 0-0/7
Cube  : 1
X to play 34

    1. XG Roller+  Bar/21 7/4                   eq:+0.410
      Player  : 56.00% (G:25.62% B:1.51%)
      Opponent: 44.00% (G:7.85% B:0.31%)

    2. XG Roller+  Bar/21 13/10                 eq:+0.387 (-0.023)
      Player  : 56.06% (G:23.69% B:1.44%)
      Opponent: 43.94% (G:7.80% B:0.31%)

    3. XG Roller+  Bar/18*                      eq:+0.378 (-0.032)
      Player  : 53.79% (G:27.98% B:2.08%)
      Opponent: 46.21% (G:7.46% B:0.31%)

    4. XG Roller+  Bar/22 10/6                  eq:+0.376 (-0.034)
      Player  : 55.65% (G:24.13% B:1.21%)
      Opponent: 44.35% (G:8.10% B:0.31%)

    5. 3 ply       Bar/21 10/7                  eq:+0.337 (-0.072)
      Player  : 54.99% (G:23.85% B:1.24%)
      Opponent: 45.01% (G:8.49% B:0.28%)


eXtreme Gammon Version: 1.21, MET: Rockwell-Kazaross

作成者:

nori [ 2010/11/19 15:01 ]

記事の件名:

Re: backgame

Reference 7. (ロールアウト中）

コード:

XGID=-aabBbCCB-B-aB---bacb----A:0:0:1:34:0:0:0:7:10
Position ID: sGsQMCuYuxkDQA
Match ID: cInxAAAAAAAA

X:Player 1   O:Player 2
Score is X:0 O:0 7 pt(s) match.
Pipcount  X: 134  O: 195 X-O: 0-0/7
Cube  : 1
X to play 34

    1. XG Roller+  Bar/22 6/2*                  eq:+0.472
      Player  : 57.36% (G:25.91% B:1.93%)
      Opponent: 42.64% (G:7.55% B:0.34%)

    2. XG Roller+  Bar/18*                      eq:+0.431 (-0.041)
      Player  : 54.81% (G:28.46% B:2.41%)
      Opponent: 45.19% (G:7.10% B:0.33%)

    3. XG Roller+  Bar/21 7/4                   eq:+0.424 (-0.048)
      Player  : 56.86% (G:24.19% B:1.65%)
      Opponent: 43.14% (G:7.86% B:0.36%)

    4. 3 ply       Bar/21 13/10                 eq:+0.397 (-0.074)
      Player  : 56.59% (G:24.00% B:1.43%)
      Opponent: 43.41% (G:8.29% B:0.37%)

    5. 3 ply       Bar/22 10/6                  eq:+0.307 (-0.165)
      Player  : 54.57% (G:22.84% B:1.37%)
      Opponent: 45.43% (G:9.00% B:0.43%)


eXtreme Gammon Version: 1.21, MET: Rockwell-Kazaross

作成者:

nori [ 2010/11/19 17:09 ]

記事の件名:

Re: backgame

Reference 7のロールアウト結果。

コード:

XGID=-aabBbCCB-B-aB---bacb----A:0:0:1:34:0:0:0:7:10

X:Player 1   O:Player 2
Score is X:0 O:0 7 pt(s) match.
 +24-23-22-21-20-19------18-17-16-15-14-13-+
 |             O  O |   | O  O           X |
 |             O  O |   |    O           X |
 |                O |   |                  |
 |                  |   |                  |
 |                  | X |                  |
 |                  |BAR|                  |
 |                  |   |                  |
 |                  |   |                  |
 |                X |   | X                |
 |       O  X  O  X |   | X  X     X       |
 | O  O  O  X  O  X |   | X  X     X     O |
 +-1--2--3--4--5--6-------7--8--9-10-11-12-+
Pipcount  X: 134  O: 195 X-O: 0-0/7
Cube  : 1
X to play 34

    1. Rolloutｹ    Bar/22 6/2*                  eq:+0.494
      Player  : 57.05% (G:26.81% B:2.10%)
      Opponent: 42.95% (G:7.93% B:0.44%)
      Confidence: &plusmn; 0.046 (+0.448<E<+0.540)
      Duration: 11 minutes 16 seconds

    2. Rolloutｹ    Bar/21 7/4                   eq:+0.434 (-0.060)
      Player  : 56.72% (G:25.07% B:1.47%)
      Opponent: 43.28% (G:8.47% B:0.34%)
      Confidence: &plusmn; 0.032 (+0.402<E<+0.466)
      Duration: 14 minutes 27 seconds

    3. Rolloutｹ    Bar/18*                      eq:+0.422 (-0.072)
      Player  : 53.71% (G:29.81% B:1.85%)
      Opponent: 46.29% (G:7.57% B:0.40%)
      Confidence: &plusmn; 0.035 (+0.387<E<+0.457)
      Duration: 11 minutes 49 seconds

    4. 3 ply       Bar/21 13/10                 eq:+0.397 (-0.097)
      Player  : 56.59% (G:24.00% B:1.43%)
      Opponent: 43.41% (G:8.29% B:0.37%)

    5. 3 ply       Bar/22 10/6                  eq:+0.307 (-0.187)
      Player  : 54.57% (G:22.84% B:1.37%)
      Opponent: 45.43% (G:9.00% B:0.43%)


ｹ 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
  Moves and cube decisions: 3 ply


eXtreme Gammon Version: 1.21, MET: Rockwell-Kazaross

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